tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-135355690938071630.post8043913174126256340..comments2022-11-03T08:45:47.328+01:00Comments on Second Stindberg: Visit the Rezzable sims as long as they are still therePeter Stindberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05187648076397777162noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-135355690938071630.post-37657605009261823302008-08-13T22:51:00.000+02:002008-08-13T22:51:00.000+02:00As a long time visitor, and one time SL employee o...As a long time visitor, and one time SL employee of Rezzable, I don't think these guys have ever had a business model, apart from the Field of Dreams 'build it and they will come'. <BR/><BR/>One of the top staff (who has just left by the way) actually told me they were profitable. I nearly choked to death on my coffee.<BR/><BR/>These moves (Greenies has just added fee paid entry too) show they've just woken up to the realities. They have never said where the funding has come from, but it's clearly running out, fast.<BR/><BR/>I love Rezzable sims, but I'm going to make the most of them over the next few months, I don't expect them to be here come the new year.<BR/><BR/>(PS Greenies was empty today.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-135355690938071630.post-82947628796755182802008-07-31T14:37:00.000+02:002008-07-31T14:37:00.000+02:00So I am late to this discussion... but will just s...So I am late to this discussion... but will just say I will gladly pay to go to the Rezzable sims. And if it means they are a little less crowded with the 'give me free or give me death' crowd.. GREAT! <BR/><BR/>People who say there is only one way to do things based on the past are doomed to only do as well as the past, not succeed. People like RaR who try new things are the ones who will find new markets. That RaR has not yet.. doesn't mean he won't. For all of us I hope he does. Rezzable has THE highest quality. Period. It's a sad sad comment if they have to close.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-135355690938071630.post-43217014086143963672008-07-04T15:27:00.000+02:002008-07-04T15:27:00.000+02:00RightAsRain has been a complete idiot long before ...RightAsRain has been a complete idiot long before he got started with Rezzable and LanguageLab.<BR/><BR/>Not any "idiot" complexity... just extreme idiot whenever there's money involved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-135355690938071630.post-31082996270225611492008-07-04T08:44:00.000+02:002008-07-04T08:44:00.000+02:00Good catch, Peter, and good article. Good Lord, I ...Good catch, Peter, and good article. Good Lord, I didn't realize when reading the Rezzable blog lately and strenuously debating RaR about his "business model" that he had started charging. That dog won't hunt.<BR/><BR/>People are so conditioned by the freebie atmosphere in SL that they simply won't pay. And tip jars are great, but they simply cannot cover everything. I have had thousands of people tip constantly at the SL Public Land Preserve, for example, but many think $1 is fine to leave for a parcel that costs $20 US a month to run, and only a few leave $1000. So I can get 15 percent of the tier covered with tips -- not a business model, but a non-profit model.<BR/><BR/>Anyone could have told RaR who has actually been running sims with themes for years that you cannot make ends meet if you rely only on tips or content sales. That's why people always find ways to rent out part of sims or have paid vendors -- even paid ads do not work. There's a reason people keep falling back on the "real estate" model which RaR hates so much: it works, and it is all that works unless you count on getting grant from RL to do this work.<BR/><BR/>RaRs constant refrain lately is that the Lindens are to blame for the flat concurrency and they need to increase memberships. But any model that depends on kicking the Lindens' ass for success will also fail when they do. <BR/><BR/>A venue that relies on constantly having to have a fresh flow of brand-new newbies because other people have burned through the content, in a world like this, is doomed. The venues that keep people coming back have devised either live music acts regularly, or contests, or socializing of variouis sorts, that keeps a crowd of "regulars". Rezzable probably has its regulars, but that isn't the conscious plan.<BR/><BR/>I'm reminded of the Russian proverb, "A bad male ballet dancer says his balls get in the way."<BR/><BR/>Yes, I agree it spells "desperation" -- but then I certainly wouldn't kick anyone down now with desperation as frankly, we are all in the same boat. No one benefits when any big project in SL fails even with a flawed business model that enables many to say smugly, "I told you so". It wouldn't be so tempting to say "I told you so" to RaR if he hadn't been so arrogant and even threatening to critics, and if he wasn't so disparaging of those in the land business who at least have gotten *some* model to work here.<BR/><BR/>RaR knew -- or should have, had he studied the statistics page -- that the "engaged" (spend more than a dollar month) community in SL was 300,000 soaking wet. It has not gotten bigger. It was that size whe he came; it's up now, but possibly only due to alts and bots.<BR/><BR/>I think that the SL "community" needs to be conditioned to paying admission, even though culturally it has never taken hold, because people do need to get paid for their work. But going an gawking at a pretty build just isn't enough to sustain a viable community that will keep on spending.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17462957723334149373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-135355690938071630.post-74974260986062944382008-07-03T20:20:00.000+02:002008-07-03T20:20:00.000+02:00My post started an interesting discussion over at ...My post started an <A HREF="http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/general-sl-discussion/13489-rezzable-charging-visit-their-sims.html" REL="nofollow">interesting discussion over at SL Universe</A>, which I would point your attention to.Peter Stindberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05187648076397777162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-135355690938071630.post-82357157808147162352008-07-03T19:10:00.000+02:002008-07-03T19:10:00.000+02:00This is a very interesting analysis Peter. I canno...This is a very interesting analysis Peter. I cannot help to think that the people behind the Rezzable SIMs estimated a drop in the number of visitors when they implemented the admittance fee. As a RL business major, it is my experience that artists tend to overlook the business side of things, so I hope that – if they are loosing money - a business mind is helping them figure out how to turn the company around and generate some profits.<BR/><BR/>As a SL photographer, RL gamer and admired of digital art, I would gladly pay the fee to visit Black Swam and all the other Rezzable SIMS. I too hope they do not disappear. <BR/><BR/>Peter, thank you for this post, I’m not a big fan of blogs, so I tend to miss out on important things. <BR/><BR/>Quaintly, “there is not such a thing as a free lunch,” at some point you have to pay for something that you want, and maybe Black Swam is not that. <BR/><BR/>Dandellion, I agree with you “desperate” is an extreme word, and testing the concept is more like it. I wish them good luck.<BR/><BR/>RAR, glad to know you are committed. You have my support.Seikatsu Kobahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11901933453991730620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-135355690938071630.post-15556138706225317222008-07-03T18:48:00.000+02:002008-07-03T18:48:00.000+02:00LL lowered the monthly costs on sims? Nope. hehehe...LL lowered the monthly costs on sims? Nope. hehehe...(laughin and cryin at same time)<BR/><BR/>must be hundreds of photos and dozens of machinima on the web showcasing black swan http://www.flickr.com/search/?s=rec&w=all&q=black+swan+rezzable&m=text . I would guess it is the single most photo'd place in the virtual world.<BR/><BR/>We actually are not desperate--we are not happy. We don't have any VC money on this, so not gonna get are nuts ripped out like ESC after CSI flop. In fact we are very committed to the virtual world and are working on some amazing new ideas--which may or may not go into SL.<BR/><BR/>Issue is about SL engaged users--and it is about 380,000 avatars which is something like 300,000 human real people--guess what, that isn't a big enough economy. LL is in the bunker now and we have no ideas on the future of the platform--but we remain committed to the future of the virtual world.<BR/><BR/>If people in SL only want to buy stuff at malls--then SL will be like an empty grid full only of campers and bots...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-135355690938071630.post-22138011266596875432008-07-03T16:55:00.000+02:002008-07-03T16:55:00.000+02:00Following your accounting, it would be better if t...Following your accounting, it would be better if they have placed tip-jars around. People are willing to tip the good work, even more than to pay for an access HUD. <BR/><BR/>I wouldn't go that far to think they are desperate, though. It's more like they are testing the concept. Yes, they need to find a way to finance their enterprise, but hopefully, they have some more cards in their sleeves to play with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-135355690938071630.post-35051980792230789262008-07-03T16:25:00.000+02:002008-07-03T16:25:00.000+02:00From the standpoint of someone who has never visit...From the standpoint of someone who has never visited Black Swan before, I would not pay $199L to see it unless I could get some kind of preview to find out what I'm paying for in the first place. Plus, since almost everywhere else is free, I would have to have a compelling reason to want to pay $199L to go to somewhere that is not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com